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I was born into the Catholic faith. At 14, I was "born again" and found Jesus personally but lost His Church. After thirty years as an evangelical protestant, I have come full circle to find that He has been there all the time, in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I wish others to find the beauty and truth of the Catholic faith as I have found.

Tuesday, October 25, 2011

More on the Recent "Vatican Document" Regarding Economics


Blogger George @ Convert Journal said...

It doesn't help.

It doesn't hurt either, it's just a rant. Correct, but ineffective. The problem is that the people who will be swayed by the MSM don't read blogs or watch these videos.

The sad truth is, the tactics Michael decried will work. Catholics will be misled just like in the last election cycle. The result will devastating for the unborn, for the family, for the country and for the faith.

October 25, 2011 6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More well rounded. Either way, the call for a world government is troubling....

October 26, 2011 12:25 PM  
Blogger Russ Rentler, M.D. said...

There is no call for One World Government. Can you show us where you are reading that? There is a call for a supernational governing authority for finance so that greed and corruption and disenfranchisment of the poor won't continue. The spirit of the idea is good, the practical working out of this would not be so.

October 26, 2011 11:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read it again, closely....

October 27, 2011 5:35 AM  
Blogger Russ Rentler, M.D. said...

At Anon:
I can see where it says that the council is calling for an eventual global authority. So I concede to your point.
Does this then make me want to leave Catholicism because a vatican council made a suggestion that is controversial and reminiscent of a Chick tract? Should I now decide, if the Church is wrong about economics, maybe the body and blood of Christ are really just symbolic and the Church he started did have the gates of hell prevail against it?
Maybe they got the creed wrong too? Maybe those 7 books the protestants claim the Church added really were just apocryphal? Maybe St. Jerome was right regarding his opinion of the deuterocanonicals and that "not so smart" Pope Damasus should have deferred to Jerome's judgment.
Maybe Luther was correct after all about "faith alone" and that he should have been allowed to insert the word alone into Romans 3:23, and remove the book of James as he intended to do?
Perhaps the 30,000 denominations really is the correct way that Christ foresaw the unity of his mystical body?
Now because of this statement by the vatican council, I should leave the Church and go out there and find the true one?
Forgive my facetiousness, but I am trying to understand where you are going with this. I have many Protestant readers who love to see every speck and blemish be brought to light in the body of Christ. They love to see the Church stumble and fall. They actually delight in it! Well, I just don't see it.
Let's assume the worse and say that the Vatican is calling for One World Govt and Pope Benedict has orchestrated the whole thing. Does that then repudiate Catholicism?
Should I become a protestant? and if so, show me which one I should join that has a perfect tract record.
The Pope's statements when speaking ex-cathedra are infallible and will be until the end of time. When the vatican or the pope himself speaks about other matters of politics etc, they are not promised the charism of infallibility over those statements.

October 27, 2011 8:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im not suggesting you leave the Church or that this Vatican statement makes or breaks the Catholicity of the Church. I am only pointing out the fact that we (Catholics) can be just as quick to dismiss what we read as non Catholics can to point the finger at us.
The statement by the Vatican is troubling. As a Catholic I am admitting that it is troubling. No repudiation has come out by Rome or the Vatican, which concerns me.
On the other hand, my understanding of their statement is limited and may be wrong. Or, Jack Chic was right! :)....maybe...(joking)

October 27, 2011 7:25 PM  
Blogger Russ Rentler, M.D. said...

What are the concerns that you could elucidate for me and my readers?
What are the implications of this?

October 27, 2011 9:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the danger: that the UN, the World Bank, the European Union, and other international organizations are not friends of the Catholic Church, and probably never will be;
that any international agency empowered to regulate financial markets will—following a pattern that is now well established—be exploited by social engineers to promote contraception, legal abortion, and legal recognition of same-sex marriage;
that liberal politicians will gladly accept and exploit the Vatican’s statements on economic affairs, while continuing to work assiduously to promote the culture of death;

Oh, yes, and most important of all:

When an obscure Vatican agency issues a statement that contains 50% solid Catholic social teaching, and 50% flaky leftist theory, the world’s media will ignore the distinctively Catholic content—what the Church should say, what the world should learn—and concentrate exclusively on the leftist theory. So for the great mass of ordinary readers, who will never read the full document, but only scan the headlines, the important message will be lost. What will register, instead, is that the Vatican has not learned its lessons about economic affairs and political realities.

October 28, 2011 9:07 AM  
Blogger Russ Rentler, M.D. said...

I totally agree with you, thanks for the clarification.
I think i was misunderstanding what you were getting at. Thanks again for an excellent analysis.

October 28, 2011 9:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fr. Z seems to have gotten in right.

October 28, 2011 10:40 AM  

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