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An Evangelical Converts to Catholicism

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I was born into the Catholic faith. At 14, I was "born again" and found Jesus personally but lost His Church. After thirty years as an evangelical protestant, I have come full circle to find that He has been there all the time, in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I wish others to find the beauty and truth of the Catholic faith as I have found.

Friday, August 13, 2010

For Those Who Hate The Catholic Church


I had a protracted serious of exchanges with a protestant on fb recently which became more and more heated as he refused to answer direct questions and other Catholics started to get exasperated by his responses and "piled on."
He then started accusing the Church of pagan rituals and called the consecration of the Blessed Sacrament a "magic trick." I am usually fairly tolerant to keep going but I felt a line was crossed when the individual began making personal attacks on my character. I wondered why this mild mannered person who was a friend for over 10 years felt the need to now attack each and every post I made regarding Catholic teachings. I don't recall one discussion I ever had with him in the years I attended his church regarding any theology, Catholic or otherwise.
What is it about the Catholic faith that causes such a visceral reaction among protestants, even folks who you had a genuine friendship with? Even after 6 years , it still surprises me that folks can be so vitriolic regarding my reversion to the Church.

Fisheaters has an excellent post for these folks which I borrowed here below:

For Those Who Hate the Catholic Church

Ask yourself: why do I hate the Catholic Church? Who taught me what I think I know about the Catholic Church? Is what I was taught true? Have I looked at what the Catholic Church has to say about itself, using official resources such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church and papal encyclicals? Could my opinion of the Catholic Church possibly be based on bias, bigotry, bad history, propaganda from the secular media, or the bad priests who get publicity (i.e., the sick, and sickening, ephebophile priests or those certain heretical modernist priests the secular media love to give press to)? Is it fair to judge doctrine by such things? Is any group with human beings in it free from sin and scandal? If I am wrong about the Catholic Church, what does that mean?
Here are some common myths about the Catholic Church:

Because Catholics reject the tradition of "sola fide" ("faith alone"), they think they can work their way into Heaven and believe they are saved by works . WRONG
Catholics think the pope does not sin . WRONG
Catholics re-crucify Christ at their Masses (or at least think they do) WRONG
Catholics think Mary is part of the Godhead and is to be worshipped WRONG
Catholics worship statues WRONG (for the 150th time on this blog) WRONG
Catholics think they can't pray to God directly but have to go through saints WRONG
Catholics conjure the dead WRONG
Catholics believe people can be saved after they die WRONG
The Catholic Church teaches that one who isn't formally a Catholic is damned to Hell WRONG
The Crusades are an example of Catholic aggression WRONG
The Inquisition(s) killed hundreds of thousands of people and targeted Jews WRONG
Pope Pius XII was "Hitler's Pope" and didn't do a thing to help Jews during WWII WRONG
The Catholic Church wasn't around until the time of Constantine, a pagan who controlled the Church. WRONG
The Catholic Church did more than baptize pagan calendar days for the good of Christ, it is pagan in its very roots. WRONG

If you believe any of the above myths, I implore you to research. For doctrinal questions, ask the Church what it teaches; it's the only fair thing to do. For historical questions, look at balanced and objective scholarly research from a variety of sources (including Catholic ones). And as you research, keep in mind the common logical fallacies that are often used in attacks against Catholicism:
Generalization: "I knew a Catholic/ex-Catholic (or I was a Catholic) who was (mean, a drunk, not holy, didn't like the Church, was superstitious, didn't know the Bible, didn't have a deep relationship with Jesus, etc.), so therefore, the teachings of the Catholic Church are wrong." (Ignores the fact that bad catechesis, misunderstandings, or other shortcomings of a few Catholics do not reflect on what the Catholic Church teaches)

Bifurcation:"If the Catholic Church doesn't teach that it's faith alone that saves, then it must teach that men are saved by their own works." (Ignores that we teach that we are saved by Grace alone -- a Grace with which we must cooperate through "faith that works in love")

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this): "Winter Solstice is on 21 December; Christmas is 25 December. Therefore, Christmas is a pagan holiday. (Ignores that fact that there are only 365 days to choose from in a year and that the early Church Fathers had good reasons to choose the date they did. It also ignores that Protestants' "Reformation Day" is celebrated on 31 October, the pagan festival of Samhain.)

Post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this): "Constantine must have been the real source of the Catholic Church's teachings because after his reign the Church grew tremendously, and before his reign it wasn't as well-known" (Ignores the simple fact that Constantine merely stopped the persecution of Christians with the Edict of Milan and allowed Christianity to spread. It also ignores the writings of the Church Fathers who lived before Constantine -- and who were Catholic.)

Straw man: "You guys worship statues, and that's evil. Therefore, your religion is Satanic." (Ignores that fact that we don't worship statues)

Meanwhile: The Final Challenge

... and now I challenge each of you who calls on the Name of the Lord to take two hours of your life to listen to theologian and former very anti-Catholic Presbyterian minister, Scott Hahn, and to Rosalind Moss, who was raised Jewish and later became Evangelical. Both are now Catholic; don't you want to know why? Truly, I challenge you to listen and pray and think about what you hear, all with an open heart to God's will.

Real Audio: Listen to Scott Hahn tell his story

Real Audio: Listen to Rosalind Moss tell her story

Courtesy of Fisheaters.

3 Comments:

Anonymous Cammie Novara said...

"I am usually fairly tolerant to keep going but I felt a line was crossed when the individual began making personal attacks on my character." Fully coherent with my own experience. There's a really animated debate that I thought would be of interest on evolution vs. intelligent design going on at http://www.intelligentdesignfacts.com

August 16, 2010 3:09 PM  
Blogger carldecs said...

Another attack on Catholics by a follower of Eli Soriano is that the Catholics only started making images during Constantine's rule and that the early Christians did not make images.
My reply: The new, recent findings by the archaeologists show images of Sts. Peter, Paul and others inside the catacombs (underground cemeteries) in Rome used by early Christians who secretly held prayer meetings and teachings there to avoid being caught by soldiers. Hence, early Christians made images then. So, Soriano has to make an excuse for his false accusations.

August 17, 2010 2:08 AM  
Blogger carldecs said...

Another attack on Catholics by a follower of Eli Soriano is that the Catholics only started making images during Constantine's rule and that the early Christians did not make images.
My reply: The new, recent findings by the archaeologists show images of Sts. Peter, Paul and others inside the catacombs (underground cemeteries) in Rome used by early Christians who secretly held prayer meetings and teachings there to avoid being caught by soldiers. Hence, early Christians made images then. So, Soriano has to make an excuse for his false accusations.

August 17, 2010 2:09 AM  

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