Crossed The Tiber

An Evangelical Converts to Catholicism

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I was born into the Catholic faith. At 14, I was "born again" and found Jesus personally but lost His Church. After thirty years as an evangelical protestant, I have come full circle to find that He has been there all the time, in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I wish others to find the beauty and truth of the Catholic faith as I have found.

Friday, August 24, 2007

Kyrie Eleison

Well, PA was right again, (see comments) The band was not Toto, but Mister, Mister. Great hair, pretty good lyrics, pretty good singing and that now classic chord progression found in every hit in the 80's. "Hit me with Your best shot etc,"

Incidentally, the Kyrie is the only time the Greek language is used in the Latin Mass. It was probably taken from the eastern Churches and is made mention of by St Gregory in the 6th century, though St. Chrysostom mentions the phrase in the liturgy at an earlier time. I wonder if anyone tried to actually bring this song by Mister Mister into the Mass in the 80's. Lord Have Mercy!


Blogger Joseph said...

Doubtful that anyone tried to introduce this into the Mass in the 80s. That would have been "retro". By that time Catholics in the pews were already considered too stupid to understand anything that wasn't in English according to the USCCB.

August 24, 2007 10:31 PM  
Blogger Pilgrimsarbour said...

As a young boy I had an instinctive dislike for the Folk Mass, although I didn't understand how to articulate it. Then it seemed that we only had "Teach Your Children Well."

The more traditional the music, the more reverent it seemed to me somehow.

We would alternate between going to Our Lady of the Lake and Star of the Sea. Lake had the traditional music, but Star was bigger, so I was conflicted. LOL

By the way, I actually prefer "Broken Wings" to "Kyrie."

August 24, 2007 10:49 PM  
Blogger Joseph said...

I enjoy both songs, Pilgrim.

In regards to your parish inconsistencies, they still exist today. I still occasionally attend Mass at the parish near my home. For Sunday Mass, I attend the 1962 Mass at a parish 8 miles north and occasionally one 8 miles south (luckily, I have my choice of TLMs) depending on whether there is a high Mass or not. During the week, I attend Mass at the cathedral in the city where I work. The one thing they all have in common is that they are all Catholic and their Masses are licit. The two TLM's do not differ. However, the so-called Novus Ordos still differ depending on who the priest is.

Currently, there is a strong pull towards tradition within the Catholic Church in light of the assault of modernism on all of Christendom at the moment. With the recent documents, writings, condemnations of liberal Catholic theologians, encyclicals, and motu proprios released by Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican, it is clear that the liberalization that is evident in other Christian religions is not welcome in the Catholic Church. It is good to know that the Magisterium working to "cleanse the Temple", so to speak.

It may take time before the Novus Ordo is celebrated correctly, according to how the liturgical "reform" (a word I use lightly) was structured, but the traditional side is gaining ground. The bad priests and bishops that have been a plague on the Church are finally exposed in the light of truth. They are no longer hiding behind the curtains as they were before Vatican II. They felt comfortable "coming out" as they allowed their imagination to lead them to the presumption that the Second Vatican Council placated their wish to liberalize the Church. That notion is proving to be nothing more than a false hope. It is too late for them, though, they have already come out of hiding. In that light, the necessity of the Second Vatican Council can be perceived as even more apparent.

Only good can come out of this. Maybe within a decade or two there will no longer be "folk" or "contemporary" Masses, and all liturgies will resemble one another as the true meaning of Catholicism shows with how we all pray together and the same.

August 25, 2007 11:20 AM  
Blogger Pilgrimsarbour said...

I guess it's a fake concert for the music video. Studio synch, no audience. Interesting.

August 25, 2007 2:45 PM  
Blogger Tiber Jumper said...

PA ;
i did note the lack of guitar chords and wonder if they had wireless technology then.

August 25, 2007 3:10 PM  
Blogger Tiber Jumper said...

I think we are hopefully going to see a return of reverence to the Mass, whether it be the TLM or novus ordo
Cardinal Ratzinger just before the election to the Papacy said The Church might need to get smaller. I think he was referring to the fact that the cafeteria is closed and those errant theologians and liberals may need to reconsider their desire to remain within the fold. Hope and prayers they decide to change rather than hang in waiting for a change that will never occur.

August 25, 2007 3:15 PM  
Blogger Joseph said...

I definitely like his approach. Pope Benedict XVI isn't out to hand out excommunications to every dissident he finds. The Church's mission is to bring as many souls to eternal union with Christ as possible. Patience is proper.

August 26, 2007 4:01 AM  
Blogger Ma Beck said...

I worked with the lead singer's brother at an airline.
He was a really nice fellow - oddly, the entire family were evanglical protestants of some sort, not even close to being Catholic.

August 28, 2007 1:10 PM  
Blogger Tiber Jumper said...

well , the kyrie is for everybody!
Did you get the lead singer's autograph from his bro?

August 28, 2007 4:08 PM  
Blogger Ma Beck said...

Never met him, just his bro.


August 29, 2007 12:38 AM  
Blogger Tiber Jumper said...

Cool enuff though

August 29, 2007 8:36 AM  

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